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Report - Crotia Mill (Cheshire, 2020/2022)

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urbanchemist

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History. “A much altered three story brick building with the roof on a narrow span of of 14’ 6” and on two levels.
There are some moulded beams, probably from an earlier mill, possibly 14th century, and in the 19th century an additional storey was added and the mill extended.
Originally there were two wheels, one internal at the north end and the other external to the south gable. Both have now gone.
There is a ‘Little Giant’ turbine of 1890, also disused, but power to the stones is maintained by a belt driven by a farm tractor and carried through a hole in the pond side wall connected to shafting in the building.”

I haven’t found any pictures of the inside of the mill, but it was supposed to have a water turbine, at least in the mid 60s when the above was written, hence worth a look.


Photos are mostly phone.

Map showing the water flow - the mill pond has since been filled in.




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Old photo of unknown date, mill pond on the left - there was evidently a chimney near the southern end at one stage.



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Recent outside photos, taken at different times.



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Starting with the turbine in a former wheel house at the northern end, it seems to have gone.
There should be a drive shaft sticking up out of the water meshing with the existing bevel gear to transfer power through the wall.




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The thin iron rod behind the bevel was probably the control rod for the turbine sluice.



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While there is something down in the water, it doesn’t look like the top of a Little Giant.
You can see a couple of examples of this type of turbine, one of them still working, in Caudwell’s Mill in Derbyshire (free, well worth a visit).




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On the other side of the wall a horizontal shaft turns two pairs of stones on the floor above.
The drive train in a turbine-driven mill can look quite different to the normal watermill arrangement.
Water wheels rotate slowly so have to be geared up whereas turbines rotate fast and need to be geared down.
There’s a much grander version of this setup in Blackpool Mill in Pembrokeshire.




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The grinding stones on the next floor up.



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On the left is a deep compartment where the water came in.
The pipe either continued, curling down and under to the turbine, or this well acted as a reservoir.




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Control wheel for the turbine sluice.



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Nearby are a belt driven machine and sections of a flour purifier (half cylinders).



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Bentall and Co. (now defunct) made a lot of agricultural stuff.



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More things on the top floor including a chaff cutter (probably also by Bentall) and a weighing scales.



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Sack hoist.



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Final view, with grain storage bins on the left.



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A housing estate is currently being built on the boggy land surrounding this place - planning applications show the mill being incorporated into the development in some way.
 

tigger

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Shropshire?

Excellent coverage and some interesting bits left.
Any evidence of more horses in the past or was one of the former wheels purely for ancilliary equipment?
 

urbanchemist

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Shropshire?

Excellent coverage and some interesting bits left.
Any evidence of more horses in the past or was one of the former wheels purely for ancilliary equipment?
Oops,, yes Cheshire (fixed).

Wasn't looking for anything to do with physical gee gees if that's what you mean, but a compartment at the southern end of the ground floor did look like a wheel pit.
Hard to tell if that chimney in the old photo is beside or behind the mill - seems much too large for a drying kiln though.
 
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tigger

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Lol. Not the large mobile steak things...horses as in the box around the stones and which supports the feed hopper - often one of the things which remains obvious even if the stones have been removed. Seems likley that a second wheel was added, rather than it starting with two, but with only two pairs of stones (two horses!) that seems unnecessary.
 

urbanchemist

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Ah, wooden horses - not that I noticed. The place has obviously been altered quite a bit though over the years, including a new drive train when the turbine was installed.
The top floor is currently not continuous, with a large gap before a shelf at the southern end as shown in the 9th photo up - there may been been more machinery in this area driven by the southern wheel, as you suggest.
 

ralowe

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Oops,, yes Cheshire (fixed).

Wasn't looking for anything to do with physical gee gees if that's what you mean, but a compartment at the southern end of the ground floor did look like a wheel pit.
Hard to tell if that chimney in the old photo is beside or behind the mill - seems much too large for a drying kiln though.
According to 'The water-powered corn molls of Cheshire' (1963), there were indeed 2 wheels originally. One internal and one external.
 

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